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Diana
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Post subject: Scans Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 7:25 pm |
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| Seedling |
Joined: Wed Sep 09, 2009 9:28 pm Posts: 24 Location: Prague
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I you don't mind I would like to start here with a bit more practical topic than just theorizing which I personally love *(^O^)* . Scans are very practical tool for us, although what is weird I couldn't find any traces of these techniques in magical societies (That I know of). That brings me to a question why? Is it purely Otherkin technique, and if yes why did a lot of 'kins remembered it? And now to the practical part - Let's scan each other!  Why? To find out how others perceive us, it can give us new ideas, and perspective. So I volunteer to be scanned first  .
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Zan
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Post subject: Re: Scans Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 8:40 pm |
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| Not-So-Giant Orange |
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Joined: Wed Jan 30, 2008 9:15 am Posts: 443
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I don't think they're only a kin technique, there are plenty of magical techniques that are essentially the same: - energetic reading - aura reading - energy signature scanning - psychic reading - ...
Personally I'm not so much a fan of it though since I consider it very easy to mislead or fool a scanning result. Especially so on the internet without any actual link. Besides my overanalyzing mind gets in the way lately.
But fine, I don't want to be a thread spoiler ... *starts mumbling all sorts of weird words and dancing around a fire*
I sense ...
darkness, sorrow and a very small, curled up being ... depression?
*shrugs and just goes on dancing around the fire because he can*
_________________ "I think a man does what he can, until his destiny is revealed."
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Diana
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Post subject: Re: Scans Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 8:57 pm |
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| Seedling |
Joined: Wed Sep 09, 2009 9:28 pm Posts: 24 Location: Prague
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Um.. okay.. Um was it actual scan or a joke? Hmm I know only about aura reading, but the people I've met could just tell you the color, and size of your aura. Quote: Personally I'm not so much a fan of it though since I consider it very easy to mislead or fool a scanning result. Especially so on the internet without any actual link. Besides my overanalyzing mind gets in the way lately. What you wrote there is true, but practicing makes a master  . And there are several scanning techniques, and not all of them require deep "thinking", or a meditation, just intuition.
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Aeldra
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Post subject: Re: Scans Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 1:25 am |
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| Seedling |
Joined: Wed Sep 09, 2009 9:43 pm Posts: 43 Location: Prague
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I second that practicing scanning makes you better at it. But then the more you know someone the better you have connection and the better scan results.
And as for scanning Diana I'll pass since we know each other personally. Well atleast for now I pass.
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Zan
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Post subject: Re: Scans Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 7:53 am |
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| Not-So-Giant Orange |
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Joined: Wed Jan 30, 2008 9:15 am Posts: 443
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That actually wasn't a joke, no but obviously not even close considering your reaction. As for the color and size of an aura, that's what I get when I do readings of people too. Flashes, colors and vague symbolic images. When I'm physically nearby they can also include emotions. I still think even 'masters' of reading others can very easily be mislead if both sides don't know eachother. If you know eachother, that's different but it's generally much less energetic and much more intuitive/psychological. Not that I don't believe in the former, just that the latter will get in the way. At least with me.
_________________ "I think a man does what he can, until his destiny is revealed."
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Black_Rose
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Post subject: Re: Scans Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 12:11 pm |
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| Giant Orange |
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Joined: Sun Jan 27, 2008 11:26 am Posts: 1047 Location: London
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Well I don't really do scanning but I have had people scan me...but I do think that it should work better if you have a stronger link with that person but if you know them very well your own perceptions about their personality might interfere but yeah anyone here is welcome to scan me 
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Aeldra
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Post subject: Re: Scans Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 5:14 pm |
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| Seedling |
Joined: Wed Sep 09, 2009 9:43 pm Posts: 43 Location: Prague
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Well, it's dependable on connectoin, that's true but then you can just make it ^^
And as for misleading well.. The basic question when scanning is "What did I scan?" "What did I really see?" Like for example you scan someone and you see image of winged white being. But then this can mean that that person was angel at some point, or that it being is an angel or it's just celestial.
I seriously have problems when someone wants me to scan them. People are too little specific about what they want me to scan. They kinda don't realize that you can scan past, present, future, emotional layer, astral layer, ethereal layer and many others.. So when someone tells me to scan them I have no problem with that but they have to find out what did I scan..
Also sometimes scans backfire at me and I scan myself instead of that person >,<
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Diana
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Post subject: Re: Scans Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 5:27 pm |
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| Seedling |
Joined: Wed Sep 09, 2009 9:28 pm Posts: 24 Location: Prague
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You both are correct, the more you know about the person you are scanning the more mistakes you can make due to putting there stuff "you know." But even this can be avoided with practice, but you have to know about it (and how does it feel differently from what are you really scanning) else you don't know what to avoid  . My friends can confirm, that I hated scanning but thanks to them I got used to it, and there are many things it thought me. For example did you know that it's basic mistake (or at least I call it basic mistake  ) to just scan someone without moving to his/hers energy level, and scan it on yours? It can lead to some misunderstandings, for example different astral body form, different feeling from energy.
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Aeldra
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Post subject: Re: Scans Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 10:08 pm |
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| Seedling |
Joined: Wed Sep 09, 2009 9:43 pm Posts: 43 Location: Prague
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Hey Diana, you seem to be experienced when it comes to scanning so you might write down some scanning techniques 
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Diana
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Post subject: Re: Scans Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 10:14 pm |
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| Seedling |
Joined: Wed Sep 09, 2009 9:28 pm Posts: 24 Location: Prague
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You know that I'm not at your level with scanning (I just had to start some nice topic)  .
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Nightwolf
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Post subject: Re: Scans Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 2:27 am |
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Joined: Mon Feb 04, 2008 11:04 am Posts: 902 Location: Puyallup, Washington
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*Headtilts* I think I see why I never really did any scanning beyond just empathy.
As I was more wild animal than human animal for most of my life, I tend to 'read' people in movements and emotions. If someone is sad, I always want to just go rub my head on their arm and show them they shouldn't be sad. However, yeah most don't get that, so I use the very awkward hugging most nonetherians are so fond of. Teehee.
However I would be inclined to hear about techniques, though I don't think I'll use it myself, may be used to help someone else in the future.
Um if anyone wants to scan me, well In equal parts I'm both easy to read and hard to. Of course my proclaiming I'm other than human and my name ruin the effect. People have tried to help me magickally or elsewise, but I'm almost never able to feel it. At one point in distant past a friend tried for a hug. She asked what was I feeling and I described a hug before she mentioned what it was. That's the extent of it, and also it has to be allowed, otherwise I'm nearly impervious.
I am curious to see what some see as people look at me oddly in real life. lol
_________________ "First time you're a guest; we'll get it for you. Second time you're a friend and we'll show you where to find it. Third time, you're family so get it your damned self." The mage ^_^
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Aeldra
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Post subject: Re: Scans Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 1:34 pm |
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| Seedling |
Joined: Wed Sep 09, 2009 9:43 pm Posts: 43 Location: Prague
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Scanning for dummies, yey!
First of all let's see what's scanning for.
So let's say you have this great friend who is 'Kin and lives at the other end of the world, I mean like far far really far away from you. Now you are wondering what's his astral body like? Or his energy? Or just curious what's his energy system like, what does his wings look like? And so on and on and on..
For stuff like this you use method often called "scanning".
Before scanning You should make clear on what and who you are going to scan. If you just decide that you will scan just something then you will end up with some results but what you really scanned and what are those results you can only wonder.
First step First thing you need to scan someone is a "connection". You just can't decide that you will scan this guy you've never seen because you will have no idea where to look for him and therefore where to look for those informations you wish for.
As for connection. It differs from person to person. Sometimes one word will be enough but on the other hand sometimes you will need wall of text. Also if you get "invited" it makes things easier not to mention if you've met in person or you know each other for a few years now.
A connection & Scanning If you're going to scan someone you already know you probably won't need to create any conection or something like that since you already should have one.
And for someone you've just recently chatted with over the internet, you can try something like this:
If you're a complete starter it's better for you if you have that person online and you just start chatting with her/him. Doesn't really matter what you're gonna chat about you just need to get the feeling of that person. Tho I use this too when Im asked to scan something I consider hard to scan.
If you're not really an energy worker and can't feel energy from the text I would recommend to just close your eyes, imagine chatting window with your name and of that person. Then create a tunnel that will lead to that person.
For example I'm gonna scan Diana and I'm gonna to this for the first time. So I'd do it something like this: (After some chatting I'd have enough of text to get feeling of her and because we decided on what she wants me to scan I have a concrete goal)
So I'll just close my eyes, enter relaxed state and imagine chatting window with my name and Diana's. Concentrating on Diana's name I will start imagining black hole - tunnel, that will lead me to her. Mind you not really you, becuase for example Diana might be sitting at the table in front of her desktop computer but I'll rather see her in bed with macbook or something different. Anyway, it doesn't really bother me. Now that I've located her I can start scanning what I wanted to. Let's say for example her astral form. So I just kinda move "higher" to her astral form and take a look. After I'm done, I just return and let her know what I saw and discuss it with her to know if I was succesful or not.
Now, if you're more skilled and can feel energy through the text you can just try to pull out some of that energy from the text and create tunnel from it or just use it to lead you or teleport you or just show you what you want to see/know.
So it would be as follow, for example of course:
So I'm gonna scan Diana again but this time I got power up (!!!) and I can sense her energy from the text. Let's say that the energy will be just.. umm.., yellow. So now I'll reach out with my mind and pull out of that text some of that energy and dive into it and voila I might again appear before Diana in a bed or just this time I might see her astral form right away!
When I'm done I will discuss it with her again and compare my results to what she thinks or know.
What you should know when scanning *As you probably know everyone percieve different things differently and this is especially true while scanning. *Another thing is that you should know yourself well and what which symbol means to you. *Also bear in mind that it's easy to misinterpret what you saw or felt - you might see a white-like person with wings and think it's angel but it can just be some kind of celestial. *Scans can backfire at you! You'll end up scanning yourself instead of the one you want! *And probably last thing is that while scaning you often see and experience things that can't be or it's really hard to express them in words which can and probably will lead to another misinterpretation due to using wrong wording and stuff.
There are some more things I should mention but I'm just too tired and lazy to continue for now. So I might finish it later.
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Zan
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Post subject: Re: Scans Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 3:35 pm |
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| Not-So-Giant Orange |
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Joined: Wed Jan 30, 2008 9:15 am Posts: 443
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Aeldra wrote: What you should know when scanning *As you probably know everyone percieve different things differently and this is especially true while scanning. *Another thing is that you should know yourself well and what which symbol means to you. *Also bear in mind that it's easy to misinterpret what you saw or felt - you might see a white-like person with wings and think it's angel but it can just be some kind of celestial.
These issues mostly arise from the visualisation aspect of your technique in my opinion. Visualisation is an extremely subjective and symbolic method to interpret energy. This is essentially why I'm not such a big fan of visualisation methods. The connection laying is described very well. Simple and effective. After a connection is made and the energy is flowing in, I'm kinda missing the details how you interpret it. I'm assuming you use a visualisation method based on subconscious interpretation of the energy ... might be wrong though. Personally I prefer emotional input since I find it a bit more true to the actual energy transmitted through a connection. Granted though it doesn't give any details but that also means it doesn't have many confounding attributes. Of course if you want the level of detail you're talking about there really is no alternative to visualisation and you just have to live with a lesser accuracy. The only way to become more accurate is through a lot of practice.
_________________ "I think a man does what he can, until his destiny is revealed."
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Aeldra
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Post subject: Re: Scans Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 12:26 pm |
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Joined: Wed Sep 09, 2009 9:43 pm Posts: 43 Location: Prague
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What exactly do you call visualisation technique? The only time when you use kind of visualisation is when creating a connection thus when imagining tunnel.
There is no energy flowing. Why should there be? And you're not visualisating things if you do, you're not scanning but coming up with your own things/ideas. You just need to astral project, if I can say so, to that person so you can "see" or "feel" him/her - depending on what you prefer.
I don't really feel stuff, I just see it. When I was trained in scanning and I had to scan different stuff and express it in emotions I just had to take a look then adjust my point of view so I "saw" that emotion and then said it.
So for example I was scanning something that you'd feel fear from but I didn't feel it. I just saw it then changed my view perspective and then saw person running in a fear and knew that this would be explained through emotions as a fear.
I'm just more of "see things" person instead of "feel things"
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Zan
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Post subject: Re: Scans Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 2:04 pm |
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Joined: Wed Jan 30, 2008 9:15 am Posts: 443
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"See things" is what I call visualisation but to you it comes naturally from the sound of things (a subconsciously driven process), while others have to put a conscious effort into it due to a lack of skill. Visualisation doesn't always equal coming up with your own things, it's a technique to interpret data. If you interpret your thoughts as data, then it's coming up with things. Here the energy of the other person flowing through the connection you create while scanning is this data. This data is (automatically/sub)consciously processed and received as an image. Guess I'm just more a "feel things" person.  I can visualize but my results are far less accurate when I do. Might be because I'm not good at it or it might be because it leaves more room for misinterpretation since it's a more complex conversion. My guess is, it's a combination of both.
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