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 Post subject: time travel, parallel universes
PostPosted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 10:27 am 
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what is your opinion on time travel? and how about parallel universes?

do you think there could be an alternate universe with a bizarro version of you?

and on time travel..was reading unexplained mysteries forum and came across and interesting question regarding time travel:

apparently it is scientifically possibly but the question is if you go into the past do you think you would be able to change it? or are you powerless to affect the future?

i find in interesting to read accounts of supposed time travel on forums about the paranormal..e.g. some person drove 50 miles in 3 minutes....some other person drove into a petrol station from the 60s that was gone on another trip on the same highway...could ofcourse be explained by other things but still interesting

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Yes, I do derfinitely think it is possible. The thought of a version of me in a parrallel universe is slightly weird!

I'm not sure about time travel...parrallel dimensions, yes. If it were possible I don't think we would be able to change it. I believe everything happens for a reason and therefore the past would still be the same in order to lead to your intended path.

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i think that if we were able to travel back in time (theoretically it's possible, in practice not so much) i agree with you in that we may not be able to change it...or if we change it it might not affect the grand scheme of things..think about it, what if you change something that causes you to cease to exist!

and yeah it is weird to think about a version of me in a parallel universe, but presumably they don't have the same soul, just the sam body and biological make up..therefore and they still you?

any comments zan? you;re the one that knows about string theory if i remember

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Uhh don't know much about string theory but modern day physics is leaning more and more towards the existence of parallel universes.

As for time travel, well lets analyse what time is. Time is change, but how do we experience change? Well with our senses of course. Now the most important sense here is probably sight, why? Because light (what we can see) travels faster than anything else.

So if we want to travel through time, theoretically all we should do is move faster than light. Imagine you can outrun the light then it's possible to run past it and see what actually happened yesterday. Or maybe even see what happens tomorrow?

Still with me? Ok, this is of course way too simplistic. In practice it's not possible because light doesn't stay on a straight line. Light is all around us and comes from all directions so if you want to travel back in time, which direction do you head in? Besides start moving faster than the speed of light and within a few seconds you're already way past planet earth. Not very practical

So what you would need would be to change the happening of everything around you without changing yourself. This is, in my eyes, only possible in one way and that's by somehow stagnating yourself .. or freezing yourself for many many years. Then years later you revive yourself and you travelled to the future. In reality there isn't much travelling to it but because your brain was shut down during the journey you didn't experience time like everything around you. Now I see this being possible some day but it won't be without consequences. Everything is still affected by time but we can probably slow the effects down by freezing ourselves somehow and modern medicine is looking into ways of doing that without any damage.

Travelling back to the past would be putting the entire univers/omniverse in rewind .. that and the slightest change in the past changes the present and future .. makes me think timetravel to the past is impossible.

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I'd say if time travel backwards was possible, it would probably be a ghosty vision of what happened in the past, and you wouldn't be able to affect it.

I remember one article saying that every time a decision is made, another parallel universe is created based on that decision, or lack thereof. Seems like a bit of terrible possibility. Even if you based that theory based on one human live it would have multiplied an infinite number of times. Then there's the multiples of the multiples of you, since they have to make decisions as well. The whole never ending number thing is not something I'd like to think is possible. Especially if it's a never ending number of complete universes. And then some.


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there is a theory that residual hauntings are memories of what happened in the past..like a rip in time or that the environment was able to retain something of the past

i don't think it's impossible..nothing is impossible..just not probable given the situation

as for infinate decisions...i'm not uncomfortable with an infinate number of universes...i have heard of that theory before on some website link you posted on the old grove...i dont know what i think about it really but it is certainly an interesting theory

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Just a theory, but think time travel may be akin to hindsight. Most everyone at some point views a time in the past that reveals something about their future selves. No you can't change it, but in a way you do, cause remembering that, you suddenly might change something you've done in the present. Such as like scrooge story. His dreams were his hindsight in subconscious form and he saw what he'd done in the past, and possible things that could happen if he didn't change his behavior in the present. So therefore although it was of other peoples lives that he saw, maybe, just maybe it was like him traveling back in time with hindsight so he'd change whatever was possibly wrong course in the present.

I don't believe there are parallel universe me's. Multidimensional, possibly. Like past lives, recreated astrally somewhere, but not really sure on that theory.

I don't really think time travel is possible, but it's a nice theory really.

An infinite number of existences sounds almost like dreams. Irl you make a choice, and in dreams you sometimes think of other choices you could have made. Thus creating multiple you's with every decision you make

All theories mind you, but something to chew on.

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that's an interesting theory..there is a website somewhere that has a meditation practice for time travel

the idea is that you see the past as it was in your mind...you mentally travel to the past

now, whether it actually is the past or a watered down version tainted by mental imaginings remains to be seen

astrally visiting or looking at the past is an interesting idea though

i agree though that the thought that every decision that you could have made another way spawns an alternate universe is pretty freaky.

i wonder how many alternate universes are there if any

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*Smiles* Probably too many to count.

Interesting thing, where did you read this on mostly?

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i forgot the site but its a spells site run by a guy who calls himself puzuzu...maybe spellsandmagic.com not sure

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Find out then :)

That way can do some looking of our own, heh.

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 Post subject: Re: time travel, parallel universes
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I feel that here is something I can add.

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1 - How reality looks like. You can notice that energy is becomming more, and more denser at the bottom thus creating matter.
2 - It shows where 2 different realities overlap, and why it's impossible to travel between dimensions easily. (I call the gap void, I couldn't find any other suitable name for it) I said, that it's impossible, but on that picture you can see that in higer planes they overlap, so if you can get there, you can get to closet dimension and if you go even higher you can get to many diferent ones.
3 - Several dimensions overlap.
4 - And now time travel :D. The big black circle is "start of everything." As you see on the picture the realities weren't all created in the same time, there was some gap between them (miliseconds, seconds, hours, days, years..). Let's assume for a second, taht the black X is you, for you to travel into the future or past is impossible in your own timeline, but if you take what we know about dimensions you can see the future, or even interact there if you visit reality, that was creted sooner than yours. Same with the past - just visit reality that was created after your own.

I hope you understand what I wanted to write :).


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 Post subject: Re: time travel, parallel universes
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Very interesting theory, very interesting indeed. *rubs imaginary beard and ponders*

Only the time traveling bit I don't completely understand. The different dimensions/realities, are they of the parallel universe type as in the Quantum Mechanics theory or more like uniquely, different realities?

In the first case, with the Many-worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics I don't see how they could have a different timeline than our reality. Since they all birth of our realm everytime something changes, they'd be an exact copy with one difference and move on in a parallel timestream. So travelling from one to another isn't what I'd call time traveling.

If you see the dimensions as fundamentally different, well then it's not really time traveling either in my eyes. Just going to a different universe where everything is different.

I wonder though, what about hopping to a dimension where time passes more slowly and then hopping back to our own to find that hundreds of years have passed? Now that's a freaky thought.

Hmm .. I have more questions about traveling between dimensions but I'll stop here ... for now. Please excuse my inquisitive nature, it's innocent. I swear! :mrgreen:

Edit: Made a whoopsy with the url.

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 Post subject: Re: time travel, parallel universes
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I just wrote the basics, but give me a second please, and I will draw you another picture explaining what do I mean with number 4. (And I will edit this post :))
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So as you can see here, I meant it that these dimensions are exactly the same, but have infinite number of variations. Only thing they don't have in common is - they weren't created at the same time. I hope it explains a bit :))


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 Post subject: Re: time travel, parallel universes
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I think I'll just leave this here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjsgoXvnStY


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